Alchemizing Fear and the Significance of Coming to Earth with Christian Sundberg

Host: Christian, it’s such an honor to connect with you. Thank you so much for being here.

Christian: Thank you. It’s an honor.

Host: You know, you and I were chatting a little bit before we started recording, and you mentioned the pretenses of being here, being on this Earth plane. I’d love to start our conversation about what we might be forgetting about this human experience. What are we forgetting about it?

Christian: It’s often more what we’ve forgotten. We’ve created so much form, so much belief, so much convention, so much expectation, so much definition that we’ve applied, and then we normalize it. It’s like, “This is the way we do things.” But consciousness itself, spirit itself, transcends all form. We give rise to it. We apply the meaning. So, our true nature is so expansive and so full of love, joy, peace, and freedom. And we often lose sight of that in the convention.

Host: Do you feel we have to lower our vibration to even come into this reality?

Christian: Very much so, yes. In my pre-birth experience, I can’t describe with enough strong language the depth of the vibrational drop that we agree to undertake through veiling to be incarnate, to be physical. It’s very real, very jarring, very visceral. There’s a huge vibrational distance. I don’t want to make it sound like duality, but in simple terms, vibrationally, if our true nature is total connectedness, peace, freedom, joy, knowing, and power, then as we agree to take on the limitations of biology and the physical experience overall, there’s a huge vibrational step down into that experience. It’s like a Grand Canyon-sized vibrational step.

Host: You mentioned all the rules or beliefs that we take on or adapt to being here, and our true nature being so incredibly expansive. What would it be like if we had more of a felt sense of that on a day-to-day basis?

Christian: It would be love, freedom, and peace. One way we can think about this is that the thing that’s extreme about Earth is the limitation level. It’s not inherently negative; it’s just very limiting—linear time, discrete location, all the limitations of biology, all the physics. It’s a very limiting, well-defined, dense experience. But because it’s so limiting, it has the opportunity to provoke fear or rejection of it. In our fear, ego has arisen, and we’ve created all sorts of layers of convention, us-versus-them thinking, and beliefs that are not in alignment with love.

So, what would it be like if we were more our true selves? We would be letting go of the false, unreal associations and moving closer to our true nature, the nature of consciousness itself, which is total love and freedom. We can actually actualize that here on Earth. If we choose love, freedom, joy, and authenticity more and more, that will become more and more actualized in ways here on Earth because the thing that’s real is consciousness, not even the physical. As consciousness changes, as it chooses love and integrates and processes fear out, as we grow past it and heal past it, the thing that’s real is consciousness. So, its vibration increases. That just means we’ve integrated the low and are moving back towards what we really are.

Host: That’s so beautifully expressed. I want to get into your birth remembrance in a minute, but from your vantage point, do you feel like we’re moving towards an expanded sense of consciousness as a collective?

Christian: Yes, we definitely are. There are different terms for it, but the “awakening” is an okay term. It just means the human race, as a collective, is going through a great shift right now. We are in the process of working through and integrating a lot of that old garbage, the old fear-based stuff that’s been so deeply rooted. That processing of fear is a growth towards joy, freedom, and an actualization of it.

In my pre-birth experience, I remember knowing—I was born in 1980—and I remember knowing very matter-of-factly that the human race and Earth as a whole were entering what we now call the awakening. It was just seen and known: “Oh, this is the awakening.” We’re really trying to process a lot in one or two or three or five generations. It’s a lot.

Now, the vibration compared to even 10 or 20 years ago, which is a very short amount of time, is significantly different.

Host: Do you feel like that catalyzes greater fear coming to the surface to be looked at, healed, and released?

Christian: I wouldn’t say greater fear, but yes, it’s true that the higher vibration we go, the more the lower vibrational stuff that’s still in the basement has to be pulled up because it’s dissonant. It doesn’t resonate, so it’s prompted to the surface. That’s one of the reasons we see so much friction on the surface right now. We’re actually in a much more evolved place than we were as a species even 50 or 100 years ago, or even 10 or 20 years ago. But we have so much fear history, so much crap in the basement, that as we raise in vibration, it’s called up to be processed. That means it has to be seen, felt, and faced. This is real experience integration we’re doing here, not just play on the side.
Host: That makes sense. To your point, those memories are so deeply ingrained. The experience of being pregnant right now brings up the idea of how much is imprinted in the womb experience that we’re not fully aware of—emotions, trauma, joy, whatever the case may be. There’s so much picked up in those formative months prior to incarnating. Would you say, from your experience, that has been the case?

Christian: I would differentiate incarnation versus birth. In my case, I incarnated quite a time before birth—a long time before I was born. At least, that’s how it felt. I don’t know how old my body was—maybe 10 or 12 weeks, maybe 14 weeks. I don’t know exactly, but I know I incarnated while the body was still very early in its stages. I felt like I was in the womb for a long time, so I was having conscious experience in the womb before I was born.

Host: Wow. Do you feel like many, if not all, babies incarnate with a remembrance of realities other than the Earth plane and then forget over time?

Christian: Yes. First of all, we are all on the other side already. At the deepest levels, we already know all of what we are. But practically speaking, the incarnation process itself is a commitment into the limitation set and into the veil. What makes the veil so effective is that we become focused and associated into the forms of life. Young children and babies are not yet deeply associated into form. They’re just getting sensory experience and starting to learn, so they’re much more free to come and go. By the time we’re five or so, we’re focused on the thinking, the story, the bodily experience, and that focus has cemented the experience of being veiled.

Host: I love how you describe that. From that perspective, could we, at any time, widen our awareness, our sense of consciousness, and tap into multiple realities?

Christian: Yes. The metaphor I like to use is that we’re always in the movie theater watching the movie. You might get really lost in the movie, staring at the screen really hard. The screen here—the images on the screen—are all of our thoughts, all the sense data, all the story of who we are. That’s what we get lost in. But if we take time in meditation to return our focus back to what we really are, let go of the thinking, and return to alertness, we may naturally, without even trying, have portions of our larger self rise up because they were always there. It’s more like we put down what we’re not rather than going and getting something new.

Host: It was through a meditative experience that triggered your remembrance of your pre-birth experience and planning, correct?

Christian: Yes. I had pre-birth memory up until the age of about five or six, and then it left me completely. I had no memory of that for most of my early adult life. I’m 44 now, but when I was 30, I took up a long-term meditation practice. I meditated for maybe 40 or 60 minutes a day every day for years. After a few months, I had my first non-physical experience, and it was super eye-opening. I wasn’t expecting anything, but it was really shocking.

Host: What inspired you to begin your meditation practice at the age of 30?

Christian: I’ve always been a spiritual seeker, but in my early adult life, it took the form of Lutheran Christianity. At the time, I was beginning to watch videos from the consciousness explorer Tom Campbell, a physicist who is also an out-of-body traveler. At first, I was like, “Wow, this is really out there,” but I felt this nudge to keep with it. One of the most important things he said was, “Go investigate your consciousness beneath thought. Be a scientist. Go see.”

The first time I meditated, I remember it was about 10 minutes. I was out on the hammock in my backyard. At first, after 10 minutes of meditating, I felt relief because I didn’t even know how painful and anxiety-provoking being lost in thought all the time could be. I felt a little bit of peace, and that’s how I got started.

Host: Did you discover that was connected to a part of your purpose and intention incarnating here?

Christian: I feel that I’m not really supposed to talk too much about any connection I might know to what I’m doing here. I just know that I’m excited to be a part of the awakening process in whatever small way. My pre-birth planning was primarily around a personal soul-level interest to process and integrate a certain fear that in the past has been very difficult for me. That’s the primary intention for this life—to experience this one specific fear and really get into it, process it, and heal it.

Host: How much do you feel like themes carry over from lifetime to lifetime?

Christian: They very much can carry over. It depends on the individual and what we’re working through. The simplest way to put it is that you are you. If you go have one experience over here or another experience over there, you’re still you. Of course, you take with you what you are.

Host: Your book is called A Walk in the Physical. Can you share more about it and how people can go deeper with your work?

Christian: Yes, the book is available to be read online for free at the third link down on the book page of my website, awalkinthephysical.com. It’s not primarily about my experience; it’s about trying to help us feel and remember who we really are through an intellectual context. It’s about pointing us back towards what we really are.

Host: Thank you so much, Christian, for sharing your wisdom and transparency. It’s been an incredible conversation.